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Post by lovey on May 3, 2015 12:06:36 GMT 10
Whilst not technically a 'cue dish as only one component was done on a 'cue, but here goes. I did the lamb shoulder on the weber using the snake method. The kettle kept between 120 and 140 C which took about 6 hours to get the shoulder to 90 C. 2.5 kg of mashed potato forms the pie crust, and no, mashing that amount of potato isn't nearly as fun as it sounds . The pie filling was then gently boiled for 30 minutes before being put into the crust and oven baked for 1 hour. Here's half of the final result. The photo doesn't really do it justice, it's much tastier than it looks. Thanks to the weber gurus that gave me a nudge in the right direction, the effort was well worth it. Thanks for looking, Steve
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Post by smokey on May 4, 2015 9:56:21 GMT 10
Looks good Steve. That's the good thing about slow smoking a lamb shoulder, There is no waste
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Post by Gus65 on May 4, 2015 10:04:08 GMT 10
That looks really good and would be a great stick to your ribs cold winters day meal.Is it mash top and bottom?
On the list for sure.
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Post by lovey on May 4, 2015 10:52:00 GMT 10
I'm hearing you Mike, I was standing there picking crusty bits off as I was chopping it up for the pie. I can put the recipe up if you like? Certainly is Gus, mash potato goodness all around, mmmmm nummy.
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Post by gatsby on May 5, 2015 6:34:42 GMT 10
Recipe please. Do you have a potato ricer? Would make doing the mash easier. I love mine - makes the mash so quickly and so smooth. Never thought of having mash all round the pie, great idea Cheers
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Post by lovey on May 5, 2015 13:46:47 GMT 10
I do have a ricer, but I didn't even think to use it, doh. I can't claim the potato crust idea, but it is fantastic and the kids love it. Here's the recipe. I don't think I'm infringing a copyright as I found it from an online search. Shepherd's Pie Recipe by: Jamie OliverPrep Time: 6 hours 30 minutes Serves: Serves 8-10 Ingredients Roast Lamb: 1 small shoulder of lamb, bone in (2kg) olive oil Filling: 4 red onions 4 carrots 4 sticks of celery 1 medium swede a few sprigs of fresh rosemary 1 tbsp plain flour Topping, sides and bottom: 2.5kg Maris Piper potatoes 2 good knobs of unsalted butter 100g Cheddar cheese 2 sprigs of fresh rosemary 60g fresh breadcrumbs Method 1. Preheat the oven to 170ºC/325ºF/gas 3. In a snug-fitting high-sided roasting tray, rub the lamb all over with a little oil and a good pinch of sea salt and pepper. Add a splash of water to the tray, then roast for 4 hours, or until the meat is tender and will fall away from the bone. Remove from the oven and leave to cool in the tray, then lift the lamb out onto a board, take all the meat and crispy skin off the bone and roughly chop it, reserving the bones. Skim away any fat from the tray and pop it into a clean jam jar. Add a splash of boiling water to the tray and stir around to pick up all the lovely sticky bits from the bottom. Keep it all to one side. 2. For the filling, peel and roughly dice the onions, carrots, celery and swede, then put them into your biggest pan on a medium-high heat with 2 tablespoons of reserved lamb fat. Strip in the rosemary leaves, then fry the veg for 20 minutes, or until lightly caramelized, stirring regularly. Stir in the flour, lamb, bones and tray juices, then pour in 1.5 litres of water. Bring to the boil, then put the lid on and reduce to a gentle simmer for 40 minutes, or until you’ve got a loose, stew-like consistency, stirring occasionally. To guarantee intense gravy and a tender but dense filling, remove and discard the bones, then place a large coarse sieve over a pan and, in batches, spoon the lamb stew into the sieve. Let the gravy drip through, and after a couple of minutes, when you get a dense pile of meat and veg in the sieve, transfer that to a bowl, leaving the gravy in the pan. Separately freeze half the cool meat and gravy for another day. 3. For the topping, sides and bottom, peel and roughly chop the potatoes and cook in boiling salted water for 12 to 15 minutes, or until tender. Drain and leave to steam dry, then add the butter, grate in half the cheese, season to perfection with salt and pepper, mash well and cool completely. Preheat the oven to 200ºC/400ºF/gas 6. Use a little reserved lamb fat to grease the inside of a large pie dish (25cm x 30cm), then pick and tear over the rosemary leaves and sprinkle with half the breadcrumbs – they’ll stick to the fat and add an incredible crunch. A handful at a time, press the cooled mash into the dish, covering the bottom and sides with a 1cm-thick layer. Spoon in the filling and a couple of spoonfuls of gravy, smooth out, then top with the remaining mash, pat it flat, scuff it up with a fork and pinch it at the edges. Grate over the rest of the cheese, scatter with the remaining breadcrumbs and drizzle lightly with oil. Importantly, bake on the bottom of the oven for 1 hour 10 minutes, or until crisp and golden. Warm your gravy through reducing if desired), then serve the pie with loads of seasonal greens or peas and lots of condiments. Notes: Taken from Jamie’s Comfort Food, published by Michael Joseph. Recipe © Jamie Oliver. Photography © Jamie Oliver ltd 2014, by David Loftus.Edit. Just to be sure we're not treading on toes here's the link www.jamieoliver.com/recipes/lamb-recipes/shepherd-s-pie/#DG7pELm3mPWB3Hc4.97
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Post by chrisg on May 5, 2015 14:42:10 GMT 10
He did this on TV a little while back, happened to catch it, rarely watch his show. There are no copyright implications with posting recipes such as this, I'd wondered myself in the past but asked a friend who is in copyright law who said no, recipes are near on impossible to copyright and no one ever tries apart from the so-called "secret ingredient" stuff and even that is more marketing than substance Cheers
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Post by smokey on May 5, 2015 15:23:19 GMT 10
Somewhat, The ingredients list itself cannot be copyright. Word verbatim somewhat can. Have a read through this, www.copyright.org.au/admin/cms-acc1/_images/1596565075238ef3564126.pdfIt even mentions J Oliver as an example What I do is write in my own words basicly the same method but in a different way. 90% of the time Id have changed something anyway. We might need a staff meeting to form a sticky about how to remove all doubt regarding copyright. Particulary with trendy and current TV personalitys / advertiser juggernauts. I will get onto this ASAP Will leave this for now as it clearly credits the writer until Im advised otherwise.
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Post by Gus65 on May 5, 2015 15:55:28 GMT 10
I had a look on Google for this recipe yesterday and found it in about 2 seconds. The creator of the recipe has been credited with it in the post so I think it should be OK. It's not being passed of as his own work.Steve has also referenced where he got it from so you could call it a promotion of the original. Maybe just replace the full recipe with the link to be on the safe side. Can't be in trouble for that. You're right though. Its probably time to work out how to deal with posting other peoples recipes. The internet is my favourite cookbook and I get a lot of inspiration from it but I don't want to end up losing the house over it.
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Post by smokey on May 5, 2015 16:00:55 GMT 10
Yeh, I just edited as you posted Gus, Until I know for sure, Maybe a link to a verbatim recipe is the best for now.
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Post by chrisg on May 5, 2015 16:22:29 GMT 10
I can ask my mate again but he makes a living out of copyright, actually a very good living if his latest Mercedes is any indication. He reassured me on more than one occasion that the preparation of food whilst it has been addressed in guidelines such as at the link is not something he would ever want to mount a case about. I can see what the article is getting at, if you were to post a recipe using exactly the language of a published cookbook and pass it off as your own that would be actually more than copyright infringement, it is plagarism, but if on the other hand you publish a recipe with credit to the author you are more likely to get a thankyou than anything else for making the person and the cooking style more popular. In short and I agree with Gus, whilst I have shelves and shelves of cookbooks quite often I go to the net to remind me of something and I'll near on always end up at one of a couple of sites who freely publish tens of thousands of recipes and credit them if directly taken from elsewhere, they have been doing that for years. Think of it another way, quoting anything as an out-take is not a copyright violation, it is good manners to credit the source regardless but it is not an offense. If on the other-hand someone quotes an entire book without crediting it or worse tries to claim it, that is an offense, it is also offensive So, go grab a few cookbooks and look up a common dish, like Irish stew as I just did. SOMEONE must have invented it and many have tweaked it but from four I just looked up it's hard to guess which book they are taken from without cheating and looking Cheers
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 22:44:39 GMT 10
G'day That's a great reciepe. Would be great to be able to invent a new anything ( even a joke ... Who thinks them up!) Me, I just hope I'm smart enough to recognize a good idea ( or joke ) when I come across it. You've done the right thing in recognizing Jamie Oliver and his reciepe Regards dave
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Post by smokey on May 5, 2015 23:27:30 GMT 10
G'day That's a great reciepe. Would be great to be able to invent a new anything ( even a joke ... Who thinks them up!) Me, I just hope I'm smart enough to recognize a good idea ( or joke ) when I come across it. You've done the right thing in recognizing Jamie Oliver and his reciepe Regards dave I love jokes, but I'm terrible at remembering them. I am good however at off the cuff Took the boys to the beach on Sunday and on the way home we had a game of I SPY. The kids, 11 and 13 thought I was a magician instantly picking what they have spied. Then it was my turn while rounding a bend there was a large women in bogan tights bending over pulling weeds with her big backside in full six O clock view. As fast as I could I said ISPYWITHMYLITTLEEYESOMETHINGBEGININGWITH B. The boys fell about in ten second spaced giggles all the way home.
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