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Post by captaincook on Oct 13, 2014 16:55:54 GMT 10
Hi Everyone. In the TVWBB Forum in the Weber Q section there was a member - Susie Q asked about cooking on the Q because she was burning everything I decided to post her questions and comments here along with my advice. it will be in a few posts as I don't think they will all fit into one but does make good reading especially for new Q owners Susie wrote
Hi there. I am the proud owner of a new Q320 - for a start, what a decision - I couldn't choose between the Spirit E210 and the Q. In the end the footprint of the Q swayed me. Did I make the wrong decision? Everything I've cooked so far has burned!!
OK guys, I need your help. I followed the instructions and seasoned the grill. Next, heated the grill on high for ten minutes then, following the instruction book, added the pork and lamb chops to cook on direct high and closed the lid. Now, this is where I can't get my head round it! It specifically says to leave the lid closed and only turn the meat once - arrgh - I had burnt offerings for the family! Never mind I told them, tomorrow will be better. It was not to be, the burgers too were burnt! So, last night I barbecued the steak in my normal way, lid open and flipping it every few minutes. It was fine but, where am I going wrong?
I'm not the world's best cook, my OH thought that the light on the hood was a smoke alarm and said it was a great idea for cooks like me!!
You all love your Qs, you must be having way more success than me.
Captain Wrote
Sorry Susie Q, only just saw you post and that you are having trouble. Never fear the Captains here. Using the Q320 you are cooking too long and probably a bit too high, you never mentioned that you turned the gas down once you preheated that's one of the reasons. The following is the basic method that I teach when demonstrating. from this you can adjust timings to suit the type and thickness of the meat you are going to cook. A few pointers first. Always a good idea to season the grill when you first get it and after every time you give it a good clean with hot soapy water or in the dish washer. Always brush your grill after preheating and before you cook different pieces of meat. Always either brush your meat with a bit of oil or wipe the grill with a bit of oil. Use Canola, grape seed or other high temp oil when grilling, don't use Olive Oil it has a tendency to burn and give an unpleasant taste to the meat. Always season with salt before cooking it enhances the flavour - try cooking two pieces of meat from the same cut side by side using the same timing and heat, season one with salt and leave the other nude. The one with salt will taste much better and have a better natural flavour. Wherever possible let the meat come up to room temperature before cooking the meat cooks quicker and is more tender. Timing versus heat is something that you need to keep in mind. Heat transferred from the cast iron grill produces the sear mark, that’s why it is important to preheat for at least 10 minutes prior to cooking, this allows the cast iron grill to absorb the heat so that when you put the meat on, the grill doesn't cool down straight away. Always use a timer to know when to flip the meat.
The following method is for a standard supermarket cut of steak which will be about 19 mm thick (3/4") I always buy scotch fillet or rump. Bring the meat up to room temperature Preheat the Q320 on high for at least 10 minutes using both burners. Brush the meat on both sides with canola oil or similar and season with salt (you can use pepper and other spices if you wish, however, I recommend just salt at first to see what you think and get the basics right.. Once the BBQ is preheated brush the grill with your wire brush to dislodge any burnt on food. Turn both burners of the Q320 down about 2 ½ to 3 strokes from high (3 on a warm day 2 ½ on a cooler day. Place the meat on the grill in the middle at an angle of 45 degrees to the centre line and close the lid. Grill for 1 ½ minutes. Lift the lid and rotate the meat 90 degrees. If the meat does not release from the grill the problem will be one of the following three causes. Grill was dirty, meat was not oiled enough or grill was not oiled enough. The other common reason is meat was too cold or grill was not hot enough. If it does not release leave it for another 30 seconds to a minute and then rotate the meat. Cook for a further 2 minutes after you have rotated the meat. This will give you a great diamond pattern on the presentation side of the meat. After cooking the first side flip the meat and cook the other side for 3 – 4 minutes depending on how you want the meat cooked. Learning the timing is a thing you need to do based on your set-up, the type of meat and the way you like your meat cooked. (I use 2 ½ minutes per side on my Q220 and Genesis) Test for donness and adjust cooking time to suit. Place the meat on the plate that you will serve it on with the presentation side up and tent with foil. Let the meat rest for a few minutes. You can put about ½ to 1 teaspoon of butter on the steak when you put it on the plate to rest, this will melt and put a sheen and glaze on the steak plus the melted butter will mix with the juices from the meat and form a rich gravy.
From this you should be able to get sorted on the basic method and then move on to the next level.
This is what they should look like
Hope it helps - Cheers
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Post by captaincook on Oct 13, 2014 17:02:32 GMT 10
Second Lot Susie Wrote WOW!! Thank you 'Captain Cook'.
Straight away I can see why I am still getting black sear marks on the meat - it's the olive oil that I've been using!! I thought that the preheatingwas making the griddle far too hot but, I daren't miss this bit out in case I poisoned the family in addition to serving them charred meats! I tried preheating then opening the lid and cooling it down and still got blacken meat, now I know why!
I shall buy some steak and a different oil this weekend and follow your instructions Fingers crossed now.
and then Susie wrote this
OK, I practised on some chicken thighs, the steaks I just did were a big improvement - not good enough for a photo but not burned either!
Thanks so much everyone for all your advice.
Tomorrow I am getting really brave and attempting a whole chicken! Watch this space.
The Captain Replied
Hi Susie Q
Next lot of advice from the Captain.
This is not only for you but for all other users of the Q series as well
You have followed the advice about cooking steaks etc. using the direct heat method and are now starting to control the heat and timing the cook to get the meat cooked perfectly. So a lot of the grilling technique is under control.
The next step in using the Q is cooking using indirect heat. I won’t call it roasting as it is really a form of convection cooking. The mechanics of this is simple we need to place a barrier between the direct heat from the burner and the food ( I say food rather than meat as you can cook bread, deserts, vegetables anything really using this method). This can be achieved by simply placing a doubled over sheet of foil on the grill which acts as a reflective barrier. You need to ensure that you leave an air gap of at least 1 ½” (35 mm) between the edges of the foil and the 4 sides of the Q. This will reflect the direct hear away from the food. The other thing that you need to do is raise the food above the foil by at least ¾” (19 mm). The easiest way to do this is to use a wire trivet with legs that will sit across the grill bars. If this is not available you can use any type of wire rack that will fit and sit it on 4 balls of foil about 1” (25 mm) high. This allows the hot air to flow around the food and cook it using the convection method. The convection airflow is created by the design of the lid of the Q. The reason for the doubled over sheet is to allow heat dissapation through the air layer between the sheets.
When roasting using the trivet place a small hole with the tip of a knife under the meat to allow the fat/juices to drain off the foil and into the drip tray below. A lot of fat and juices will drip onto the foil and boil off, this imparts that beautiful BBQ flavour that you don’t get in a conventional oven.
For your temperature settings – Preheat with both burners on high for 10 minutes and then turn off the centre burner and adjust the outer burner down about 2 strokes from high. You need to set the temperature at about 10 -15 Degrees C above the setting that you would normally use to cook with in a conventional oven . Note - Preheat first, then set up for indirect cooking
When you want to cook things like honey and soy chicken wings or food with a high sugar content in the marinade, use the indirect method, you can baste the food several times when cooking and build up the flavours on the outside and you don’t get that burnt bitter taste. This also works well when using commercial BBQ sauces as a baste/marinade.
Cakes and muffins are done using the same method - the timing is something that will need some consideration. This is why I generally set the Q on 2 or three strokes below high on the gas control and then cook for a set amount of time depending on the dish and then check for doneness and adjust cooking time as required.
One of the good things about using this method on the Q320 is you are not restricted to a small area in the centre. You can also just use the centre burner on low with this indirect method for low and slow cooking.
Here are a couple of photos showing Two chickens on a trivet in the Q220 and
A chicken with roast veggies on a trivet on a Q220, and finally,
5 chickens using the foil and trivet indirect method on a Genesis E320.
The next instalment will be cooking using a combination indirect and direct cook on the Q.
Cheers
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Post by captaincook on Oct 13, 2014 17:05:34 GMT 10
Hi Susie Q
Next Instalment from the Captain.
Like before, this is not only for you but for all other users of the Q series as well
The two previous methods have described the basic grilling method with temperature control and the indirect set-up, These form the basis for cooking almost everything on the Q. You can simmer/braise/stew on the Q just by placing whatever in a deep sided pan and sealing the top with foil. Once it comes to the boil you can turn the Q down to its lowest setting and let it simmer away. At the end of this I will post a couple of recipes so you will get the idea. One of favourite methods of cooking is the reverse sear. I don’t like a lot of charring on the food but do want a fresh BBQ taste. This method is especially good for food that has a marinade paste on it such as Tandoori or a very oily marinade such as Italian Salad Dressing. I set up for indirect cooking and cook the food for a period of time and baste and turn for an equal amount of time. The time will depend on what I am cooking, the thickness, how long I am going to sear at the end and at what temperature I am going to use. After I have cooked the food indirectly I will remove the foil and cook the food directly while it is sitting on the trivet if I want to only have a touch of searing marks or direct on the grill if I want stronger searing marks. This will depend on the paste/rub/marinade. The flavours of the herbs and spices change so much with searing.
One of my favourite quick dishes is Tandoori Lamb Steaks or Tandoori Lamb Cutlets and is so simple to make. I use Pataks Tandoori Paste which is readily available in the UK from Tesco and is also available in the USA. For the sake of this recipe I will use Lamb Steaks. The idea of this recipe is not to have the Tandoori flavour to transfer all the way into the lamb, just to give surface flavour. When you bite into the lamb you want to get an explosion of the natural lamb flavour mixing with the surface flavour of the Tandoori Paste. Bring the lamb steaks up to room temp. Brush the lamb steaks both sides with a medium coating of Pataks Tandoori Paste, Turn the Q on and preheat for 10 minutes (this is enough time for the paste to flavour the outside of the meat) Set up the Q for indirect cooking using the trivet and foil method. Turn the centre burner of the Q off and turn the outer burner down 2 strokes from high. Place the lamb steaks on the trivet and cook for 5 minutes Lift the lid and brush again with Tandoori Paste, flip, brush this side with Tandoori Paste also, cook indirectly for another 5 minutes. This” sets” the paste and seals the flavour on the outside of the lamb. Remove the foil from under the trivet and turn the gas control up to maximum heat and the centre burner on. Leave the lamb on the trivet above the grill and cook for 2 minutes . Flip the lamb and cook for a further two minutes. Remove and rest for a couple of minutes. The lamb will be slightly pink in the centre and will have a slight charring on the edges which should be enough to give it the true but subtle Tandoor cooked flavour. To cook Chicken Quarters one good way is to marinate them in Italian salad dressing for 12 hours. I use a no name brand Italian Salad dressing to which I add a tablespoon of sea salt. Place 4 chicken quarters in a Ziploc bag and add about 200 to 250 ml of salad dressing and 1 tablespoon of sea salt, massage into the chicken and store in the fridge for about 12 hours turning occasionally. Remove from the fridge about an hour before cooking and bring up to room temperature. Turn the Q on and preheat for 10 minutes. Set-up for indirect cooking, turn the inside burner off and turn the outer burner down about 2 strokes from high. Cook the Chicken quarter for about 7 minutes per side. Remove the foil from under the trivet and turn the centre burner on. Leave the chicken on the trivet above the grill and cook for 2 ½ minutes. Flip and cook for a further 2 ½ minutes. Alternatively you can finish cooking the chicken direct on the grill to get additional searing just reduce the grilling time to 1 to 1 ½ minutes.
Enjoy - Cheers
Susie replied
What can I say Captain? Thank you, thank you, thank you.
This is like having my personal, on line tutor!! I cooked the chicken and, here is the proof that I am improving.
I have to admit that although I did test the meat with a thermometer, I still wasn't convinced that it was cooked through - it was very, very moist. We ate it anyway so, if you don't hear from me for a while you'll know that I've given myself food poisoning!!
The temperature on my Q320 is very hard to control - even when the middle burner is off and the outer one on its lowest setting, the thermometer is registering 400F !! Is this normal? How will I simmer casseroles if I can't set the temperature lower?
Captain replied
Turn the outer burner off and just use the inner burner on low about 250F
I hope that this may be of some help to all the new Q users (and some of the older ones as well.
This topic has had over 7,933 hits on the TVWBB forum.
Cheers
Phil
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Post by smokey on Oct 13, 2014 18:20:53 GMT 10
Brilliant From burning steaks to she cannot believe the chicken is done because it's so juicy, That's gold. Being that this information is also universal to many gas BBQ's , It should be a sticky.
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Post by chrisg on Oct 13, 2014 20:33:30 GMT 10
Other than I think you know I have a very strong aversion to canola oil that all sounds fabulous advise, live and learn, always learning when it comes to Q I must admit though, some people do just utterly bemuse me when it comes to cooking, if you are burning things it does seem a rather good idea to turn the heat down Cheers
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Post by bill44 on Oct 14, 2014 9:07:54 GMT 10
Apart from using EVOO for the obvious things, we would normally use Peanut Oil for stir fries, BBQ, and any high temp cooking. Noticing the rise in popularity of Rice Bran oil among fellow BBQers we have swung over to it and are very pleased with the results.
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Post by Gus65 on Oct 14, 2014 10:41:13 GMT 10
I've been using both Rice Bran and Peanut oil for a while now. Both good with a much higher temperature tolerance the EVOO.
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Post by chrisg on Oct 15, 2014 15:36:31 GMT 10
Heh,
The debate about canola is one of those ongoing Internet things that is probably never going to go away. There is evidence on both sides but when there are choices I'd prefer to just go for the alternative.
To summarise there is no such thing as a canola plant, the name comes about from a contraction of "Canada" and "oil" which was chosen by its original manufacturers because it is derived from rapeseed and they didn't want that association. It's an hydrogenated oil rather than a straight press which also stirs up the health mavens and it is very, very cheap to produce which makes it attractive to manufacturers.
The original marketing made a big deal, probably too big, about it being really healthy because of a low fat content but that only tells part of the truth. In reality it's analogous to margarine, which is something else that I choose to keep out of the house.
When there are very suitable alternatives, rice bran and peanut in particular for high temperature cooking where olive oil is not ideal I just can't justify canola with the jury rather solidly on the fence.
I do avoid peanut, more by habit than anything else, used to be married to someone with an extreme peanut allergy. Peanut oil does not actually kick off anaphylactic shock in those allergy sufferers but better safe than sorry.
Simply put rice bran does the job well, is neutral and not expensive. It and EVOO are the only oils we use.
Cheers
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Post by smokey on Oct 15, 2014 16:34:25 GMT 10
I'm with Gus, Ever since rice bran oil hit the scene I've used it and can't fault it. Personally I don't like the taste of canola so don't use it.
In the kitchen however I always have Peanut, EVOO, sesame , Avocado, Carotino and a few other interesting things I find. Though none are used for general BBQ other then sometimes Carotino.
So, I'm guessing I agree with you Chris. Canola is not a sore loss to avoid for me. being and argument or not.
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Post by chrisg on Oct 15, 2014 18:17:51 GMT 10
I did leave out the taste, yeah never used it much at all but no, didn't like it. I did neglect to say we do keep sesame and coconut oil on hand, been cooking a bit with the latter, sesame no, used very sparingly for flavour. In WA I don't think I've ever seen Avocado or Carotino, or Macadamia for that matter but really I don't use any oil THAT much in cooking, unless you count butter Cheers
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Post by smokey on Oct 15, 2014 18:41:34 GMT 10
I'll take a pick next as they hide them. Avacodo oil is KING but it's dear. Only used in salads. Time for an In depth oil topic on its own.
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Post by chrisg on Oct 15, 2014 19:37:51 GMT 10
Agreed Coconut oil is pretty impressive, funny thing is I had to rescue it from the bathroom, my very alternate medicine wife only bought it for her hair and something called oil pulling which if I understand means swirling it around your mouth for 20 minutes to pull toxins Some of that alternative stuff is interesting but when I asked her why don't I just get you a whole coconut and you can chew on a piece she suddenly wanted to change the subject I tend to find that coconut products are a bit of a rip-off, but then I've lived places where all you had to do was scoot up a tree and get a couple or sunbathe out of the drop-zone and wait for the thump Cheers
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Post by bill44 on Oct 16, 2014 8:02:40 GMT 10
I'm the same way Chris, used to work in the Philippines and see piles of Coconuts beside the road. Nearly spew when I see what they want to charge for one out here.
BTW. Forgot to mention the Sesame Oil before, we use a fair bit of it especially a dash at the end of stir frying veges.
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Post by chrisg on Oct 16, 2014 20:11:28 GMT 10
I've never made it out of the cities in the Philippines Bill but can well imagine. In my youth I spent time in West Africa ( not a place I'd want to go right now)In Kenya on the coast and in Seychelles. All had masses of coconuts, often just stacked up in pyramids, help yourself leave the shell was the usual thing. In Africa they make use of every part of a coconut but especially value the fibre but there were always more than seemed ever to be used. In Seychelles they have two rather different nuts to the familiar coconut although very closely related. One is the coco de mer, a massive double nut that looks like a human pelvis, to the amusement of the tourists, it's otherwise pretty much a coconut. The second is, don't ask me quite how, somewhat different in being about the same size as a coconut but solid and harvested green. Sliced it makes "millionaire's salad," utterly delicious but also quite rare. A one-time friend before the place became so mainstream that George Clooney honeymoons there bought a small island off the coast of the main island of Mahe which he or someone christened "Isle du Treasure." It had a natural stand of the latter type locally called palmiste. He always maintained he didn't know that when he bought the place but the crop more than paid his investment over a few years Very interesting place, 250 plus islands, mix of granite and coral, many still uninhabited, there were no natural inhabitants, just people who jumped ship into paradise and inevitably slaves. Led to a polyglot where to see a kid with coal black skin, red hair and blue eyes was actually not so rare. It is also a home to giant tortoise, I think imported, probably from Mauritius. I didn't know it at the time but in taking my then boss there to sign up some of the small local hotels for the very first package holidays from the UK I was apparently the first person to land an aircraft there, on a massive beach called Beau Vallon. I knew it was there from other pilots but they had all gone there by flying boat, couldn't rent one of those Sometimes I regret ever leaving but it's been overwhelmed by "civilisation" now pretty much anyway Cheers
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Post by ozymandias on Nov 7, 2014 13:55:22 GMT 10
I got a question about cooking marinated stuff on the Weber Q....i know the sugary marinade will create a complete mess on the grill.....so how do we grill marinaded stuff?
The captain on his book says to use the trivet without the foil under it, but won't drippings create a similar mess on the cast iron grill?
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