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Post by smokey on Oct 5, 2014 14:13:07 GMT 10
I've got a shoulder of Hogget in the freezer that I need to do something with, I don't really fancy to low and slow it as it's a little too strong in flavour for the family so I did some looking around and put together what I thought would work to pull some of the gamey taste out and tenderise it as well. I will be boning out the shoulder and cubing
The proposed recipe and feel free to comment
1 1/2 cups buttermilk 1 Red Capsicum 4 Cloves Garlic 1 Small Brown Onion 2 Tbs fresh mint 1 Tbs Fresh Parsley 1 Tbs Sumac Powder 1. Tsp Cumin Powder 1. Tsp Coriander powder 1/2 Tsp Salt 1/2 Tsp Tumeric 1/2 Tsp ground black pepper 1/4 Tsp ground cloves
Blend everything up and marinate 24-36 hours. Grill on skewers and serve as doner Kababs with tabouli and chilli sauce
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Post by captaincook on Oct 5, 2014 17:34:39 GMT 10
Mick There are 3 basic components for a marinade Acid Oil Aromatics
Depending on the flavour profile you are trying to achieve as to what you use. For Hogget, because it has a strong flavour I would use some lemon juice in it. Just a couple of tablespoons. I would balance it with a tablespoon of sugar and add a bit of oregano.
Cheers
Phil
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Post by smokey on Oct 6, 2014 10:34:19 GMT 10
Yeh, I did consider that rule for marinating. I read an article that fermented dairy is the best to use for tenderising as citric acid tightens the meat like ceviche. It talked about paw paw and other tenderising fruits and ruled them out as ideal. The sumac is very tart so I considered basting with lemon and oil while grilling. Was an interesting blog. I'll try to find it as she quoted references to back herself. Maybe I should try it on lamb first to eliminate one possible fail (strong flavour) and just concentrate on getting it tender in such a short grill time. This is a bit new for me doing it this way. I normally follow the rule as you state. As for sweet? Hmm, might add a little palm sugar or again the sumac might just cover that. Found it upstartkitchen.wordpress.com/answers/meat-how-tos/for-tender-meat-dont-marinate/Interesting
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Post by chrisg on Oct 6, 2014 12:41:47 GMT 10
That is interesting, especially the bit about yoghurt. I'd never thought of it but I do marinade meat in yoghurt sometimes for an Indian curry, never have for kebabs which when you consider how much yoghurt can feature in Turkish and Greek cooking is probably a bit dumb. Must give it a try. The comment about it being difficult to get veg and meat to cook at the same time on skewers, made pretty much in passing, I can really relate to. Dunno about everyone else but the typical threading of meat chunks with tomato and onion, pepper etc has never really worked for me. There's a kebab place down in Fremantle that seems to have the right idea, they don't even try to cook them together rather assemble whatever you order in a pita roll, meat taken straight off the vertical rotisseries veg from the grill, add sauce, done For home kebabs I do much the same except just thread meat only onto the skewers and cook over coals turning often serve on a plate with grilled veg sides. Guests use a fork to de-thread the meat and have their meal The only eaten from the bamboo skewer dish that really seems to work is the more Asian style small pieces of chicken with Satay dipping sauce at my place. That's all from the perspective of someone who probably buys a pack of bamboo skewers about once a decade though Can't get hogget here again at the moment, could a few years back. Bit of an acquired taste for many, when I do cook it it's always been a roast with frequent lemon and olive oil basting which does make for an excellent roast. I don't think I'll be offering it to my wife though Cheers
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Post by captaincook on Oct 6, 2014 15:06:27 GMT 10
Mick - lemon and oil baste would work real good, serve it up with some grilled lemon slices as well. As for the veggies on the skewer try char grilling 2 - 2.5 cm cubes of veggies and cherry tomatoes in a weber veggie grill tray over medium direct heat for 10 - 15 minutes. Also use some small button mushrooms. I cube up the veggies and trow them in a ziploc bag with 1 - 1 1/2 tblsp of oil and a few pinches of any nice herb mix or rub that I have on hand. Just befor I grill them I add about 1 tblsp of fish sauce for seasoning. Serve the skewers on a bed of the char grilled veggies.
I usually use the veggies that are lying around in the crisper.
I should add that you need to turn the veggies every few minutes so they dont burn on the bottom.
Phil
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Post by smokey on Oct 7, 2014 18:41:58 GMT 10
OK, I'm going with the Hogget, Looks like there are a few other things in this bag. This will be interesting as I never really paid much attention to what was in it prior to freezing. Lets see if the buttermilk will tenderise this boot leather. Right under this in the chest freezer was a large Hogget leg. Something else I'm going to have to deal with to make it palatable
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Post by bill44 on Oct 8, 2014 8:55:06 GMT 10
You may laugh at this suggestion but when my mother had her Butchers Shop many years ago she used to do it.
With your leg of Hogget, treat it like you were making a leg of ham, it tastes great from memory.
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Post by smokey on Oct 8, 2014 10:32:34 GMT 10
That's an interesting suggestion, I've made Lamb ham before and it was terrific.
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Post by Gus65 on Oct 8, 2014 15:25:26 GMT 10
Can I see ribs / flap in that bag.
Try the sesame lamb marinade on them, will go well.
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Post by smokey on Oct 8, 2014 17:37:51 GMT 10
Its still a little frozen to work with but tomorrow I'll whack it on the bench and start boning it out. Ive no intention of boning the meat between those ribs for mince so I will give that recipe a go Gus while the main bits get the long marinade. Pics tomorrow. I'm also thinking of flicking most of the spice I listed and go with garam masala as it's pretty much the same. Like Bill, I don't really want to spend to too much on an experiment but I've got a nice batch of fresh buttermilk on the go.
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Post by smokey on Oct 9, 2014 15:46:22 GMT 10
Well this is what it was, The whole half shebang. All boned out and diced. To market in the morning to fetch some ingreedients.
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Post by smokey on Oct 15, 2014 9:21:40 GMT 10
Well, The butter milk does work and the recipe works. The Hogget was marinating for three days and it was tender without turning to mush. However it would have been better to use lamb due to the strong flavour still somewhat there Ready to grill Served with yogurt, Sumac pickled red onion and tabouli on a slather of homus.
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Post by bill44 on Oct 15, 2014 10:11:52 GMT 10
Good one Smokey. The Buttermilk is acidic so it will work as a tenderiser.
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Post by ozymandias on Nov 19, 2014 17:03:02 GMT 10
Sorry for the necroposting......
In Greece we often cook older lamb and in parts of Greece, it is considered a delicacy... What we do is to marinate it for hours or overnight on olive oil, lemon juice, herbs and spices like black pepper, paprica etc. We never use salt in the marinade. Some of the most adenurous ones use mashed kiwi fruit as well.
The meat is then either grilled over charcoal, on the grill or on the spit, or slow-cooked in what we call "gastra", esentially a clay dutch oven, often sealed with dough.
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Post by smokey on Nov 19, 2014 17:43:12 GMT 10
It wasn't salty, but I'm get where your comming from. I was looking for tasty bits in the roll. I probably won't go Hogget again. I don't mind it but tha family prefer lamb. The marinade however I will Definatly do again. Complex flavours took me back to Fatimas turkish restaurant on Cleavland Street Sydney. Everyone should make there own butter milk, It's a fantastic thing to have in the fridge. The word butter is really wrong, It should be called yogurt milk as that is all it is. I have it on my breakfast granola instead of milk. Who was that who told me how easy it is to make?
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